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The_Wraith-WYD-
05-05-2016, 12:41 PM
Found this earlier. And knowing how many gamers use ASUS motherboards thought I'd pass the info on.


Earlier this year Microsoft MSFT +0.22% warned users that Windows 7 has serious problems. I dismissed its claims as a desperate attempt to shift copies of Windows 10 (and I still do), but now Microsoft has warned of a new serious Windows 7 problem that is very real – even though it makes no sense whatsoever…

In short: Microsoft has made a seemingly small yet completely bizarre tweak to Windows Update on Windows 7 and confirmed it is crippling many users’ PCs.

The tweak? It switched the status of Windows 7 update KB3133977 from ‘Optional’ to ‘Recommended’. The bizarre part? Despite acknowledging the problems, Microsoft knew they would occur in advance and it has no plans to do anything about it.


PCs That Suddenly Won’t Start

It all centres around Asus motherboards.

Now 27 years old, Asus is one of the largest PC component makers and supplies motherboards to many of the world’s biggest PC makers. Recently it enabled Secure Boot in UEFI on all its motherboards. This wasn’t a problem for older PCs because Windows 7 didn’t support Secure Boot, that is until KB3133977 came along in March and enabled it.

Initially the fallout was small. Asus confirmed the problem, Microsoft confirmed the problem. But the best news was KB3133977 was an optional Windows 7 update so it had to be manually installed to take effect. The solution was simple: just steer clear of KB3133977 (aka do nothing) and you’d be fine.

Then last month – for some bizarre reason – Microsoft made KB3133977 a ‘Recommended’ update. The result was every user running Windows 7 and default Windows Update settings (the vast majority) would find the update now installed automatically.

And then everyone with an Asus motherboard was hit.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2016/05/Screenshot-2016-05-05-at-01.59.41.png

All of which does nothing to pinpoint the problem or solve it for those without a second secured boot device. In short: you’d be screwed.

The Good News And Staying Safe

The good news is Asus has now issued a workaround to get PCs booting up again. Furthermore Asus must take some of the blame for not reacting faster when KB3133977 presented a potential landmine and issuing new updates to its motherboards.

How do you know if you have an Asus motherboard in your Windows 7 PC? Go to: All Programs > Accessories > System Tools and select System Information. This will list your PC’s components, including the motherboard.

One downside: some major PC makers like Dell and HP rebrand the motherboard as the computer’s model number. In which case you should do a web search on your model or call the manufacturer directly.

The Bad News And What Comes Next

As for the bad news? It’s Microsoft’s reaction.

On the plus side, Microsoft did update the support document for KB3133977 with a warning which states: “After you install update 3133977 on a Windows 7 x64-based system that includes an Asus-based main board, the system does not start”.

But Microsoft also uses the document an opportunity to promote upgrades to Windows 10:

Microsoft has also done nothing to modify KB3133977 or release a new patch so users with Asus motherboards don’t run into this problem in the first place. Furthermore, at the time of publishing, KB3133977 remains a ‘Recommended’ in Windows Update for Windows 7.

Needless to say, conspiracy theorists will have a ball seeing it as yet another new way Microsoft can push users to Windows 10. Especially with upgrade rates slowing in April. This in itself is remarkable given the increasing number of heavy handed and devious ways Microsoft has been pushing Windows 10 onto Windows 7 and Windows 8 users.

Regardless, the message is clear: life is going to become increasingly uncomfortable for Windows 7 users from now on. Whether they like it or not…


Original story can be found here.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/04/microsoft-warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix#479bd151395e

I went through right after I read this and shut down the secure boot options in my BIOS.

The fix from ASUS can be found here.
http://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1016356/

SASBLACKBURN-WYD
05-05-2016, 12:53 PM
Oh, thanks for the share wraith,but, can't we individually select the updates to download in windows 7 already? Only in 10 is there such a case where you can neither turn of windows update,nor select the available updates.(But wee can do that both,will drop a link to that later). Sorry if you have mentioned that already in the post though, just skimmed through it.

-SAS

evevee-WYD
05-05-2016, 01:00 PM
Oh look, Microsoft is being an asshat again. Such a surprise. Thank you for sharing this Wraith, really good thing to know. Not being able to disable or at least choose Windows Updates was why the computer I built at the end of last year still had W7.

The_Wraith-WYD-
05-05-2016, 01:16 PM
Oh, thanks for the share wraith,but, can't we individually select the updates to download in windows 7 already? Only in 10 is there such a case where you can neither turn of windows update,nor select the available updates.(But wee can do that both,will drop a link to that later). Sorry if you have mentioned that already in the post though, just skimmed through it.

-SAS

Yes you can choose to install it or not if you have your updates set for manual install. Anybody with automatic updates on will get KB3133977 update weather they want it or not. And knowing Microsoft and the way they are trying to force people into Win 10 it wouldn't surprise me if they changed this to a critical update in the future. Same thing they did with the updates that spammed Win 10.

Also how many people actually go and read the support documents for windows updates. You would actually have to click the link and go to the Microsoft site to read the warning about ASUS motherboards not booting after installing the update.

MrAfroz-WYD-
05-05-2016, 06:24 PM
wow good thing i hopped on the win10 ban wagon lol i have an asus board

The_Wraith-WYD-
05-05-2016, 08:49 PM
I'll keep my Win 7 as long as possible. The privacy issues with Win 10 are way to much for me to want to use it. The fact that the EULA tells you Microsoft as put a key logger in the software and you have to agree to that before it loads is enough to tell me it's a creeper of an OS. Even with all the privacy settings set to cut out the information sharing it still sends loads of your information back to Microsoft.

Lightning-WYD
05-06-2016, 04:10 AM
And this is why I dont update my copy of windows 7

SASBLACKBURN-WYD
05-06-2016, 04:47 AM
For win 10 user,just in case microsoft decides to step up its level of shittiness,: https://4sysops.com/archives/disable-windows-update-in-windows-10/

You can selectively update as in win 7 or just disable that update :D

-SAS

michael.guzzi-WYD-
05-08-2016, 07:34 PM
I'll keep my Win 7 as long as possible. The privacy issues with Win 10 are way to much for me to want to use it. The fact that the EULA tells you Microsoft as put a key logger in the software and you have to agree to that before it loads is enough to tell me it's a creeper of an OS. Even with all the privacy settings set to cut out the information sharing it still sends loads of your information back to Microsoft.

They will have to pry my win7 copy out of my cold, dead hands. And I've got big, strong hands. GL with that Microsoft.

My updater is set to manual the moment the PC boots the first time after the install. I've been doing this since XP, it has been a wise idea, and all my PC's had(and will continue to have) ASUS mobos.

Thanks for the heads up Wraith.